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I think the page should be rearranged with different sections.





-2D (well, generally more like 2-1/2D)


CAD/CAM packages

-2D (well, generally more like 2-1/2D)


Specific oriented package



-Bitmap editing

The ShopBot one ( Software Supplied with ShopBots) should stay as it the basic of what one get with his Bot...

Paco - late in the Saturday...

Those makes sense...thanks for the help.
1) You don't think that graphics or illustration software like Corel should have it's own upper-level category like CAD and CAM? There probably aren't as many people using it with a ShopBot as CAD or CAM but Corel is mentioned a lot on the forum.
2)Almost all CAD programs like TurboCAD and AutoCAD are now 3d to some extent...are there any 2d CAD programs anymore? What about making the distinction between "CAD" and "3D Modeling"
3)My personal opinion is that we ought to somehow highlight ShopBotter-created software like CabinetPartsPro and you agree and if so should it have it's own upper-level category?

Bill - Early Sunday Morning


1) I'd say let put them in the 2D CAD. 2D CAD is now referred as drafting isn't it?...

2) Hmmm, yes but they still offer 2D only products... I'm unsure about the nomenclature; I use the words and expressions I know but the "standard" might be different. Maybe we should ask some one from the industry like Tony and Brian from Vectric... Yes there are still quite a few 2D drawing software; Google reveals many. COREL, Illustrator, Inkscape should be on the 2D/drafting section. I have CAD Standard PRO; nice little piece of software almost give away.

3) Yes I do think we should give those a special place and credit. In the ShopBot one?

Maybe we could have a quick listing of the sections contents on the main page. This way visitors will have a look at what inside each section.

I think bitmap editor application are worth mentioning somewhere.

Let me (us) know when you feel it's ready for the change. I wasn't sure about doing it last night; I only move Inkscape.

--Paco 10:53, 29 July 2007 (EDT)

Let's give it a day to see if anyone else jumps in and then I'll make some changes tomorrow and see how it does. The great thing about wiki's is that you can always change it back if you don't like it
1)How about if, instead of "CAD" as one of the Main headings, we use "Drafting and Drawing"? Then we can include Corel, etc in the 2d section under it?
I like the idea of having a brief description of each category in the main page...maybe just a sentence or 2 to tell folks what to expect?
Do you see bitmap editors as a tool to design for part files like Corel, or as a utility to create graphics for presentation, etc?

I like the nomenclature so far, though Converter utilities might deserve their own category on the main s/w page.

I'll wait to see how this section stabilizes (in terms of formatting etc) and then add an entry for Cinema 4D. Not really a program connected with cnc, but I use it quite a lot out of habit (comp.sci graphics course) and for its visualisation features, and it does export workable dxf's etc. It's also pretty big in Europe.

-Henrik O


Maybe CAD, CAM, 2D, 3D, 3D Modeling, would be a good place to start the glossary. In that way, the categories may define themselves.

I also agree w/ you regarding #1 above. I think programs like Corel, SketchUp, and Illustrator belong in a separate category since you usually need to go through a CAD/CAM program to get a cutting file from them.

Also, for an article format suggestion for software, look at the TurboCad page.

--DunesDesigns 00:38, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

I'll work on re-doing the Design main page later on today and see what everyone else thinks.
I like your TurboCAD page layout. Maybe add a Price header and a pros-and-cons of some kind so that readers can get a sense of what people think of the software. Or is that too subjective and opinionated for a wiki?
--Bill Young 06:21, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

I've put together a page that's my suggestion for a new Design Software page layout.
I was trying to keep it to a small number of categories so that it isn't confusing to find things, and each category links to a page that lists all the programs in that category, with each one having it's own page. It's unprotected for now so feel free to edit or comment on that page. Once we decide on a final layout I'll lock that main page but keep all the subpages publicly editable so anyone can add programs.
--Bill Young 14:22, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

I like that new layout of yours Bill.

I already moved Cut 3D from CAD/CAM Vectric's to CAM has it is a CAM only...

Maybe 3D CAD could be subdivided into NURBS, polygonal and mesh/Sub-D but maybe not if you want to keep it as simple as possible. Maybe we could just start the description with that mention.

--Paco 15:02, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

(Copied the last 2 messages in this discussion to the other page)
--Admin 16:58, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

I wonder where we are heading exactly... should we really get into the 'How to'? I mean, that can get pretty deep... I wouldn't like to interrupt any enthusiasm about it but maybe we should have some line to follow... or should we go as our mind get inspired... free?! There's already forum specific that cover this. I know the Wiki is intend to sort of archive all this but I should want to have some feedback about this point before I dive right in. Should the SB wiki keep dedicate to SB?... or should it expand to cover everything that as a linkage? We already start to list the software and there respective resources; isn't that enough? Please, let me know what you think.

--Paco 22:31, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

I agree that we don't need or want to duplicate the information on other forums, but there's also a need for a place to easily find answers to ShopBot specific questions and describe techniques for using that software. My vote is that we "allow" any content that anyone wants to add that's at all ShopBot related.
How about having a main page for each software package the way we do now, but if necessary have a link at the bottom along with the Resources to a "questions, tips, and tricks" page? Most of the software pages probably wouldn't have one but the popular ones like the Delcam and Vectric software might. So pretty much all the current info in the VCarvePro page would end up in the questions, tips, and tricks page that would be linked to from the main VCarvePro page, and the main VCarvePro page would get general information like the rest of the software pages.
My feeling is that there's a lot of good software-specific questions and info on the forum ...that's where those VCarve questions came from originally...and it needs a permanent home that will be easy for everyone to find.

--Bill Young 08:02, 6 August 2007 (EDT)

Let it be, let free then!


--Paco 09:29, 6 August 2007 (EDT)


Good suggestion regarding a link to tips, tricks, etc. in the main article. I agree, there has been a lot of good techniques type stuff in the forum over the years, but try to go back and find it... arrrgg.

--DunesDesigns 22:50, 6 August 2007 (EDT)

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